Red Raider
Caldari
Airbourne Demons
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Posted - 2008.08.01 16:50:00 -
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The third right of players participating in the EVE community.
Influence on How Society is Legislated
Finally, individuals have the right to influence how society is legislated. Until now, this right has not been fully accessible. The goal of CCP is to provide EVE Æs individuals with societal governance rights. In similar fashion to a real-world democracy models, candidates will be selected by fellow peers to be the voice of their interests to the legislator. Once elected, the responsibility of these representatives will be to uphold the societyÆs views as best they can via direct contact and dialogue with CCP. Central to this concept is the idea that increasing the ôutilityö of EVE Æs society will encourage more individuals to join it.
Say that the next time CCP tells you that you to worry about bigger things. The CSM is to address our concerns and if a large chunk of players want a fix the color of the sun in Jita then thats what we want and CCP can either tell us why they won't do it or make the change but lashing out at the community and the CSM is the equivalent of cutting your wings off when your trying to learn to fly.
voter communication with the csm
A dedicated electronic forum will be provided for voters to formally present issues to CSM R epresentatives. Because this is a ôgathering placeö where topics deemed important to society are heard and acted upon by democratically elected Representatives, moderators must be present to keep discussions civilized, ordered, relevant, and lawful1. These measures are necessary here, as they are in real society, to keep the unruly from disrupting any civil institution ranging from courts of law to the halls of legislative government bodies.
Again, the CSM.pdf doesn't define what we as a society and you as a representative can't do, only that you are to listen and act upon topics deemed important by the society.
I by no means agree with all the topics but ship balancing is just as valid of a concern as anything else. If CCP doesn't like our concerns then they can disband the CSM and raise a big white flag saying "we don't give two shit's about what this community thinks".
As far as I am concerned the CSM is working as intended aside from the clashing of e-ego's that goes on at times.
My growing concern is with the idea being pushed that the CSM is supposed to be responsible for developing a "vision" for the future of EVE. I see nothing in the CSM documentation that says the CSM is an integral part of the EVE development team and as such is responsible for developing the future of EVE. I would really like some clarification on this issue and if the CSM that keeps pushing this fails to accept a role as a representative instead of a visionary then I am going to be posting support for removing that CSM from office for failure to understand and fulfill the roles and duties of an elected representative.
A happy gamer isnt on the forums, they are playing the game unless they have an idea that they honestly think is helping out. |
Red Raider
Caldari
Airbourne Demons
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Posted - 2008.08.02 00:16:00 -
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 Originally by: Darius JOHNSON
Focusing on the vocal minorities individual pet desires for changes to their favorite ships is a distraction and is stupid. It doesn't matter how many words you wrap around it. You're more than welcome to discuss items but I have and will continue to vote and argue against any single ship buff/nerf that is presented to the council unless someone can convince me there's a DAMN good reason we're wasting our time on it.
I get it. Some of you think your voices aren't being heard. That's what the guy who thinks his ship should be better would say. He would be wrong though. His voice was heard his idea was just not in line with what should be the priorities. If you want your ship buff voted on get support for it and it can't be ignored... simple as that.
We've actually been direction to try and deal with grander issues. Well, at least had it requested as we can certainly ignore that. I however agree and stated so before I was elected. I'll be looking forward to your post explaining how I'm not fulfilling my duties and demanding my removal.
My post was not a reply to your Darius.
However, if the topic regardless of what it is gains enough support it should be looked at. You said it yourself.
Some CSMÆs have been not only proposing and bringing their own ideaÆs before the council and have also been quick to jump on ideaÆs with little to no support from the community while ignoring ideaÆs like ship balencing that gained significant support. Then argued that those changes are trivial while their changes are not. So how difficult is adding powergrid to the Nighthawk compared to letting people play instruments in Ambulation? Well the answer is obvious but one is before the council almost without popular support and the other failed at council? One is completely outside the characteristics of the EVE universe and the other is blatently obvious in terms of how you cant fit the ship in a way that it is designed to be fitted and come close to competing with the other CSÆs. One would throw a HUGE amount of work on the Dev team and the other is editing a single statistic in a file.
My point in posting the Rights of the Player and the Voter Communications was to show that no where did CCP specify that it had a right to tell the CSM what is and isnÆt important and no where did it say that the CSM can determine the relative importance of a matter to the community. It did say it would require a 50% vote but seriously 110k + votes? Even the CSM has agreed that is over the top so even you have abandoned that idea.
As for the CSM trying to promote a CSM ôvisionö of the game it isnÆt you or LaVista and it I bet 9/10 forum dwellers could guess right off which CSM it was that keeps spouting it.
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